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Post by okie21 on Nov 16, 2006 12:48:49 GMT -5
Spavital never helped out Muskogee. Originally(during the summer) it was planned that Spavital was going to be hired as the co-Defensive Coordinator, however that never materialized. The credit to the Muskogee Defense is David Heath and Matt Hennesy. Heath took the DC job after Hennesy was named HC...it is Hennesy's Defense(the same defense he installed while he was the DC at Jenks), but Heath is the DC and calls all of the shots. BA almost hired Heath before he went to Muskogee....I think he was a head coach out West for a 4A team before coming to Muskogee. Im not sure how long Heath has been at Muskogee, but I don't think this is his first year there. I think he was considered being hired at BA 3 years ago.....not sure though.
No offense to Spavital..because he is considered the best by a lot of people, but he didnt' have anything to do with the Muskogee defense this year.
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Post by washedupredskin on Nov 16, 2006 12:54:50 GMT -5
Oh my bad. The paper had said that he would be helping them, Lincoln Christian, and Metro Christian and I hadnt heard anything different until now. I've talked with Spav a few times this season, but we usually don't talk football.
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Post by johnboy on Nov 17, 2006 13:06:05 GMT -5
Spavital would have been a terrible choice. There is more to being a head coach than cursing at your players. I would even go so far as to say that Union has a better defensive coordinator now, Ward, than Spavital. He did more with less than I ever thought possible. Wow, just an ignorant post. Spavital is the best defensive coach in the state and there's really no one else close. Of course there's more to coaching than cursing at your players, but you don't know crap about football if you think that's all he does. Did you sit through the film sessions with his players? Have you actually been to a practice? Why don't you ask all of his former players that he cursed at who they wanted for the job(hint: I'm one of them). All of them, and I mean every single one of them, wanted Spav to be head coach. You can even ask the players currently on the team who they wanted during the coaching search, 90% of them will say Spavital. Spav was named one of the top 10 assistant coaches in the nation by CFN, was Ward? Ward did good with an undersized defense, but Spavital's defenses are the best in the state every single year reguardless of talent. They(the Tulsa World) called the defense on the 04 team the no name defense. That defense was statistically one of the best in 6A history. Did you not find it interesting that with Spav helping out at Muskogee, they shut Union down twice and beat them twice. Spavital is better at scheming and defensive gameplans than anything else he does. You are really showing your ignorance. CFN? So Spav was in the top 10 assistants in the nation? Brian Ward won Assistant Coach of the year by the American Football Coaches Association, whom every college coach in the country belongs to. You tell me what a greater honor is CFN top 10, or AFCA Assistant Coach of the Year? Brian Ward is INVITED to work at Indianapolis Colts camp this year tell me what, better honor that is. He has implemented Monte Kiffin's/Tony Dungy's defense at Union. You should educate yourself more kid. Coaching is alot different than playing. If Spav is so great, how many times has Union given up the big play with less than 30 seconds left against Jenks while he was the DC? The guy couldn't get the head job for a reason. Coach Wright applied for the job at the last minute, and zoomed to the top of the list. Are you kidding me? |
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Post by johnboy on Nov 17, 2006 13:13:11 GMT -5
I think Spavital should have had the job. I hate to say it, but I think Union is getting what they deserve after what they did to Coach Spav. I have a really bad feeling about what is going on with Union football now--especially with Coach Stockton quitting. Our kids are in eighth grade and their grade will be the ones who suffer because they won't have Coach Stockton next year. I really feel sorry for the Union football players. Just a little FYI Coach Stockton quit 2 years ago because Blankenship didnt hire on the varsity level for 2 years. Then he asked to come back. The he quit when coach Wright got here, then he quit again this year says he doesnt love it. In the Admin offices, they say he has quit at least 3-4 times. Also, when was spav's defense ranked #1? 2002, (all for DL go D-1)? 2004? 3-5 starters go d-1, 2005? 2 starters go to major schools SEC, OU? Dont kid yourself, Spav has had a lot to work with. And still ended up losing some big time games in the last seconds because of baffoon defensive calls Brian Ward's Defense 2006? not one kid has even an offer, next year maybe one with ameen? |
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Post by newman on Nov 17, 2006 13:46:49 GMT -5
Great post johnboy!!! Some of these immature kids play for a guy then wet themselves everytime his name is mentioned. They just blab and blab without doing their homework. Way to set them straight.
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Post by washedupredskin on Nov 17, 2006 13:49:46 GMT -5
I wasn't aware of any of Wards accolades because they have not been presented on here before. I was simply responding to a post attacking coach Spavital.
Brian Ward is implementing Indianapolis' defense at Union. OK. Last time I checked the Indianapolis Colts weren't a dominant defensive team. They especially have difficulty stopping the run. The defenses we ran before were the exact same defenses the University of Oklahoma ran under Mike Stoops, just different terminology. I have no idea where else Spav has or has not been invited to, but I do know that he was asked to give a presentation of his blitz package to the OU coaching staff, which he did this past Spring. What's odd about that is we rarely blitzed. At the beginning of this year it seemed Ward had Union blitzing on almost every play. Blitzing is only something that should be done situationaly, because it often leaves you vulnerable to giving up the big play. Under Spav Union had dominating defenses while almost never blitzing.
You actually had a pretty good argument untill you threw the last part in. It happened twice in around 25 meetings between Union and Jenks under Spavital. If Ward stays with Union for 10+ years(doubt that he will) lets see how many times Jenks scores a late touchdown. It's going to happen, that's the nature of rivalries. And if you knew ANYTHING AT ALL about the situation at Union you'd know that Spavital not getting the job had absolutely nothing to do with his head coaching ability or the head coaching ability of Kevin Wright. There's way more involved than that. Seriously man you accused me of being ignorant(which I was) for not knowing anything about Ward, but then you come up with something like "The guy couldn't get the head coaching job for a reason." Everyone who has a clue about Oklahoma football knows it wasn't because he wasn't qualified. Hmmm...maybe you should "educate" yourself? Ask around the coaching community and see how Spav is view as a defensive coach. Spavital's defenses are ranked number one in 6A nearly every year for a reason. Other teams coaches called him every week to get our gameplan against the team they were playing for a reason.
"This man is just as big a reason, maybe even bigger, for us winning three state championships as I am"- Coach Bill Blankenship on Steve Spavital
If you don't trust Bill Blankenship then who will you trust?
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Post by washedupredskin on Nov 17, 2006 14:02:21 GMT -5
I think Spavital should have had the job. I hate to say it, but I think Union is getting what they deserve after what they did to Coach Spav. I have a really bad feeling about what is going on with Union football now--especially with Coach Stockton quitting. Our kids are in eighth grade and their grade will be the ones who suffer because they won't have Coach Stockton next year. I really feel sorry for the Union football players. Just a little FYI Coach Stockton quit 2 years ago because Blankenship didnt hire on the varsity level for 2 years. Then he asked to come back. The he quit when coach Wright got here, then he quit again this year says he doesnt love it. In the Admin offices, they say he has quit at least 3-4 times. Also, when was spav's defense ranked #1? 2002, (all for DL go D-1)? 2004? 3-5 starters go d-1, 2005? 2 starters go to major schools SEC, OU? Dont kid yourself, Spav has had a lot to work with. And still ended up losing some big time games in the last seconds because of baffoon defensive calls Brian Ward's Defense 2006? not one kid has even an offer, next year maybe one with ameen? Do you not think that players going D1 has anything to do with his and the other coaches coaching ability? It's mostly talent but not all of it. Also when you look at who went D1 it depends on how you're counting it. If you're saying this defense has no D1 players I guess you're meaning no players will be going D1 THIS YEAR, because there are Juniors and Sophomores that will probably get offers eventually. The 2004 team had Jake Smith, Antonio Graham, and Ryan Hoyt at linebackers. None went D1. The DL had Chase Nelson(can't count him as D1 yet cuz he was only a Junior), Terrill Jimoh, Tola Jimoh, and Layne Horton. The defensive backfield had Dom Franks(again not D1 till 05), Chris Gilcrist, Brock Dixon, and Clint Bales. None of the players on that defense went D1 THAT YEAR(just going by how you went by it). Now tell me again who were the 3-5 players on that defense that went d1? The fact that someone is a D1 player doesn't always indicate how good a player is. Antonio Graham may be the best linebacker in Union history and he only went DII. Possibly our best defensive lineman last year was a 5'6 210 lb nose. And the leader of our defense Ryan Hoyt is now playing at DIII Wheaton. This year's Union linebackers were far more athletic than last year's. Troutman, Morris, and Baker: talk about having some speed at the linebacker spots. And what problems do you have with Spav's calls on Defense that supposedly were the cause of those late scores? |
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Post by washedupredskin on Nov 17, 2006 14:14:05 GMT -5
Great post johnboy!!! Some of these immature kids play for a guy then wet themselves everytime his name is mentioned. They just blab and blab without doing their homework. Way to set them straight. He didn't do his homework either. Saying "He couldn't get the job for a reason" had no facts to support it, in fact all of the facts are against it. And the statements about him giving up points at the end of Jenks game is the biggest reach I've ever seen. If any coach coaches as long as he does, especially having a rival such as Jenks, there's no doubt that will happen eventually. As for yourself Newman, you seemed to be blinded. I know there are people who don't like Spav for his style of coaching(mostly parents and administrators), but I've never heard anyone with any basic knowledge of football say Spavital was a bad coach. I've never heard anyone say he was an average coach either. In fact I've never even heard anyone say he was just a good coach. Everyone who I've heard speak of him, mostly other teams' coaches, have said he's top notch. Let's see who should I listen to? Bill Blankenship and other state coaches or Newman? tough one. And I guess you will just have to continue to wonder why all of these players that he has cursed at over the years are always on his side. I guess he must have us brain washed huh? I mean there's no way he can possibly be a good guy and a psycho coach at the same time, that can't be why all of his players support him can it? I really don't get why people such as yourself can't get used to how he coaches. Almost all defensive coaches coach this way. The new coach at Owasso(Friedrich) blows up far more than coach Spavital, but no one over there has a problem with that. Why? Because he does it for a reason, just as Spav does. It's effective. |
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Post by iceman on Nov 17, 2006 14:44:19 GMT -5
Sometimes you really need to see your coach "blow up" as a player. To me as long as it isnt just excesive it shows that the coach really cares about whats going on on the field or in practice. I know I had a wrestling coach that would be all over me if i screwed up at school, home, practice, or on the mat and i probably have more respect for him than anyone else. I have more to say but i gotta go.
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Post by yerout on Nov 17, 2006 19:10:41 GMT -5
Now Washed ........ Don't go bringin' Coach Fred into this! : )
He is the toast of Owasso right now!
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Post by washedupredskin on Nov 17, 2006 22:17:22 GMT -5
Oh believe me I wasn't saying anything bad about him. I was complimenting him.
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Post by washedupredskin on Nov 20, 2006 2:36:24 GMT -5
Just found out some more info on this award that brian ward won.
"Wabash football special teams coordinator and defensive backs coach Brian Ward has been named the American Football Coaches Association 2002 NCAA Division III Assistant Coach of the Year.
The Assistant Coach of the Year Award honors assistant coaches who excel in community service, committment to the studen-athlete, on-field coaching success, and AFCA professional organization involvement.
Ward, in his second season at Wabash, was selected after coordinating the Little Giants' community service program with the Montgomery County FISH Foundation this year. The program has gathered over 3,000 canf of food. The "Turnover Hunger" program has raised over $4,000 for the community food pantry. Ward has also been involved in the Wabash Youth Football Day and the local Special Olympics chapter. His 2001 defensive unit finished second in the North Coast Athletic Conference in pass efficiency defense and first in interceptions with 15."
So basically it's a community service award, and he wasn't even the Defensive Coordinator when he won it. He was the defensive backs coach and special teams coordinator. Thanks for giving us all of the facts johnboy. Winning this award proves nothing to me except that Ward is a good guy.
Quote from Metro Christian Head Coach
“We’re running the defense that
Union ran last year,” said Wilkinson,
who was a Union assistant in 2005.
“When I was at Jenks, I always
thought Steve Spavital’s Union
defense was the toughest we faced.
“After I got the job at Metro, I
asked Steve to teach me his
defense. He’s a great friend and
teacher, and is my consultant and
mentor.”
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Post by johnboy on Nov 20, 2006 9:38:55 GMT -5
You guys really think you know a whole lot. But this is a fact...In fact contrary to popular belief Coach Bill Blankenship didnt even recommend Spav for the job, he in fact told the comittee face to face that Spavital was NOT the right choice to lead the redskins. Coach B also told Coach Wright, he needed to let him go as soon as possible along with Coach Witcher, noting that both of them would be a hinderance to the Union Football Program. If you dont believe Call in to your beloved Coach B.
You as a player only saw the product you got will being coached. Coach B was the glue that held the staff together, there wasn't a staff member one that liked Spavital. Go and ask the assistants that stayed how they feel, since you are such a Spav fan you probably would be hurt. See the thing about being a "kid that played" you dont know anything about what goes on and that is a compliment to Coach B. But people knew, believe me everyone knew.
It is public information young boy, go file a public information request at the ESC , 5656 S 129 E ave. You will have to put in writing who voted for who in the Head Coaching/AD position. You will find that for Coach Wright was unaminous.
To make it all so funny Spavital wasn't even their SECOND choice.
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Post by okie21 on Nov 20, 2006 12:22:13 GMT -5
Coach B was the glue that held the staff together, there wasn't a staff member one that liked Spavital. Go and ask the assistants that stayed how they feel, since you are such a Spav fan you probably would be hurt. So someone could go ask all 2 of the Union Coaches who stayed what they think about Spav? I would rather ask the 12 who left with Spav. Bottom line.....Wright might be a great coach, but he comes into a program who has won back to back state titles and turns them into a 7-4 team who lost in the first round. When Allan Trimble took over for a Legend...he kept the same offense and defense and won 7 titles in his first 8 years. |
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Post by farva on Nov 20, 2006 13:22:45 GMT -5
johnboy,
ask the current defensive staff that has worked with both guys who they would rather coach with? Also, as far as cussing kids and getting into it with other assistant coaches, rumor has it that Mr. Ward can hold his own in that department.
As far as what you said about Coach B, he was not even allowed to be a part of the hiring of the new coach much less have a vote. By the way, Wright was the second choice, Coach Frederich was their first choice, but he had already accepted the Owasso job.
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