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Post by yakuzaandy69 on Nov 22, 2007 2:30:09 GMT -5
Yes: Oliver...he ruined the program...anyone will tell you that. He had no control over his players. His starters would not even show up for practice and yet on Friday nights they would play? there was no disipline at all. He was not right guy. Plus there was a quaterback issue involved with him...I think it is funny, that the old superitendent abruptly fires him and then announces her retirement...but I do beleive that Coach Wall was the begining process of starting it back up. With our new locker romm and weight room, establishing disipline back into the program, and then of course Huff. He actually had a exceptional coaching carrer in Texas at A&M Consolidated...
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Post by trojansrule on Nov 22, 2007 12:27:11 GMT -5
(I AM GOING IN ALL CAPS)... BRADY IT IS ALL RIGHT. GETTING RIPPED ON IS WHAT WE ALL DO. SCOOTERJUMBO...THERE IS ONE TEACHER THAT COMES TO MIND AT OUR HIGH SCHOOL...BOYS, YOU KNOW. OHH AND DC(A.K.A. DEL GHETTO)...I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW, THAT I HAVE NEVER MADE A GRADE IN ENGLISH THAT WAS LESS THAN A 95 PERCENTILE...I BELIEVE THAT LAST YEAR I PASSED MY ENGLISH CLASS WITH A 103 PERCENTILE...AND THAT WAS, OF COURSE, WITH EXTRA CREDIT, WHICH, FOURTUNATLEY, I REALLY DID NOT NEED ANY WAY,DUE TO THE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT I DID A VERY EXCEPTIONAL JOB IN THAT CLASS(HENCE THE 103 PERCENTILE). BUT SINCE THIS IS A FORUM AND NOT A LITERARY ANALYSIS ESSAY, I THOUGHT I COULD GET AWAY WITH MY "TERRIBLE" GRAMMAR. I GUESS YOUR TOO ANAL ABOUT THAT, SINCE THIS IS A FORUM...NOT GRAMMAR 101, HUH LANGSTON?  HAVE A NICE DAY! Perhaps you had a grade of 103, but it is a logical impossibility for you to have been in the 103rd percentile. Percentile refers to your position relative to others taking the same test, class, or other form of measurement. To be in the 103rd percentile would mean that you did better than 103% of others, which, of course, is impossible. Two things about school and grades today compared to the dark ages when I went (PCW 1977) - usually a lot more homework, and grossly inflated grades. We had to make 93 for an A, 85 for B, 76 for C, and 65 to pass. We did not have nearly as many opportunities to get points for spelling our name correctly on the test form, etc. We had to walk 12 miles to school in 5 feet of snow, uphill both ways (oh, yeah, that was my mom). Happy Thanksgiving everybody! |
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Post by yakuzaandy69 on Nov 22, 2007 13:10:23 GMT -5
...okay? since this issue was yesterdays news...anyways back to football...
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Post by bradyt09 on Nov 22, 2007 13:14:25 GMT -5
Happy Thanksgiving!
But yea, about Oliver.... ouch. I've heard from many people, including players during that time, that there would be drug deals going on in the locker room and dice games and all kinds of crap. It was ridiculous. A good friend of mine refused to come out for the team his Jr. and Sr. year because of the lack of discipline (and he was an athletic 6'1, 200 lb. guy, so he coulda helped). But yes, Wall definitely started the climb back up... his practices were harder, he enforced his rules, and he restarted the old youth programs like the Lil' Bombers Football Team. Huff is like him in a lot of ways, but with a few serious differences. I feel like Huff is more strict in some ways, but he also jokes around with us a lot. He's a kinda coach that we feel comfortable enough to actually make fun of to his face sometimes (and he comes up with some witty come-backs too). He deffinitely knows how to keep the morale up and everything with an occasional joke.
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Post by bradyt09 on Nov 22, 2007 13:19:18 GMT -5
what happened at the "public banquet scene"? I've never heard of this I don't think. Also, does anyone know why Vaverka went to Westmoore? He was the head coach of a national championship, back-to-back state champion team, that made it to the finals 3 times in a row... and then he leaves? I never understood that... I don't feel like Westmoore is all that great of a program. (they're good for the West, and they usually do well up into the playoff's, but I don't know when their last finals appearance was)
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Post by scooterjumbo on Nov 22, 2007 13:23:58 GMT -5
Vaverka was run out of MWC because they hit a dry hole for several years. He couldn't live up to the wins hat the previosu coaches brought home to MWC.
Kinda asham, but losing will make people do crazy things.
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Post by bradyt09 on Nov 22, 2007 13:29:56 GMT -5
I thought he coached MWC from '93-'98. Or was that someone else... I'm not for sure. Does anyone have a link to where I could see a record of coaches and all that, before I continue making myself look stupid? lol. I was thinking that Vaverka came in the year before the back to back champs, and left like 2 years later.
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Post by bombermagic on Nov 22, 2007 16:14:25 GMT -5
Perhaps you had a grade of 103, but it is a logical impossibility for you to have been in the 103rd percentile. Percentile refers to your position relative to others taking the same test, class, or other form of measurement. To be in the 103rd percentile would mean that you did better than 103% of others, which, of course, is impossible. Happy Thanksgiving everybody! Oh my GOD. Are you serious!?!? Please, spare us. |
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Post by bombermagic on Nov 22, 2007 16:26:58 GMT -5
Here ya go Brady: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midwest_City_High_SchoolBy the way Andy, not to attack you, but I wouldn't attribute Coach Huff's bringing of God to our team as a reason for our success. I would attribute his strict discipline. For those of you who are unaware, every football player has been required to be at practice, daily, since late May. Now, maybe his work ethic comes from his religion, but he does not in anyway impose those types of opinions on the players. Sorry Andy. You're still my boy. |
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Post by dcstillownsyou on Nov 22, 2007 21:35:35 GMT -5
Vaverka was never a championship HEAD coach. That was Huggins. I think Huggins stepped down after 1995. Vaverka took over for Huggins after he retired. And Vaverka was placed with too many expectations after years of Championships. Everything I hear about him says he is a good coach, but expectations were too high and Vernon Maxwell was no longer in the backfield for MWC. A losing season and multiple losses to rivals led to a disappointing stint as head coach.
Oh and the banquet scene I heard about was Oliver calling his Seniors lazy and degrading players in front of everyone at their own banquet. Confirmed by several sources-but I wasn't there personally, so take that for what it's worth.
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Post by bombermagic on Nov 22, 2007 22:08:26 GMT -5
I'm not so sure about Vaverka's carreer either. I've been to several camps where he coached and I am pretty good friends with his son. His lack of success, I would attribute to something other than players or his personal coaching strategy, which can't be half bad if Whaley trusts him as O. Coordinator. I personally think it has something to do with the same reasons why Huggins left so abruptly. As to the nature of those reasons, I have no idea. I only know that nobody quits coaching after two back to back Gold Balls and leaves the school his wife teaches at to become a college professor at Rose State.  ?? |
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Post by dcstillownsyou on Nov 22, 2007 22:15:31 GMT -5
His wife was a great teacher at Cleveland Bailey as well (back in the days when they had sports in the elementaries). The whole family was nice. I think it was just timing. Maxwell, Collier, and Rideau had all graduated and can you remember anybody from the 1997 team that stood out like any of those players? They weren't lacking talent, but it wasn't the same. The numbers were still pretty deep under Vaverka, so it wasn't a collapse or anything. What year did athletics go to after school? Del City hit their rut just a few years later, but I know multiple factors that caused that.
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Post by sandman on Nov 22, 2007 22:30:59 GMT -5
Hi Guys, hope you had a great thanksgiving. This post here will cover the previous posts on this thread. I think you guys are forgetting about coach V's first year... Coincedentally, it was the last year MWC went to the state finals. We were playing for a chance to 3-peat (which was almost unheard of until Jenks started that run, THAT year). That team had 8 guys go Division I. And it had me lol. Vaverka is a great offensive line coach, and great motivator, and a great disciplinarian. In my opinion, it was the administration that ran him off. Now that Dr. Steele is gone, not to many people will have problems with the administration. Coach V is at Westmoore because One of his best friends and college teammate is the head coach. Westmoore has represented this side the state well when nobody else was stepping up to the challenge. I'd like to see Westmoore's record from 1999-2007 and match it up with any other program on this side of the state. |
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Post by sandman on Nov 22, 2007 22:33:03 GMT -5
what happened at the "public banquet scene"? I've never heard of this I don't think. Also, does anyone know why Vaverka went to Westmoore? He was the head coach of a national championship, back-to-back state champion team, that made it to the finals 3 times in a row... and then he leaves? I never understood that... I don't feel like Westmoore is all that great of a program. (they're good for the West, and they usually do well up into the playoff's, but I don't know when their last finals appearance was) Coach V was the head coach from 1996-2000 football seasons. |
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Post by dcstillownsyou on Nov 22, 2007 22:34:13 GMT -5
Funny how the administration ran off Manning, but not Craig...
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