6A-4

[trojansrule]

Well, now, three of the four remaining teams are from 6A-4. It's too bad that Booker T. couldn't join the party, but Enid's presence is good, too.

One conclusion that could be drawn from this is that while racking up a great regular season record against less-than-stellar competition might look good on paper, it does not prepare a team for the level of competion it will meet in the playoffs.

Other thoughts out there?

[Brentman]

I couldn't agree with you more trojansrule. But then whether we all wanted to admit it or not...I think that is kind of what we were all thinking anyway. The only difference now is that "we know".

Westmoore was a lot like the 11-0 Santa Fe team of last year. On paper they looked impressive. But, when you have that many close calls with "sub-par" teams...your number is just waiting to be called. Both of them SF of 05, and Westmoore of 06 went into the second round of the playoffs with 11-0 records, and were both beaten soundly by the east.

The dominance is still there, and probably will remain for awhile unless some of those schools end up splitting into two or three highschools.

Can us Westsiders legally claim Enid as our west hope now??? ;D

[scooterjumbo]

Brentman, I think the b ig differnce is in player development. You look at the weight rooms at Jenks, Union & Owasso and they are more like a college atmopshere. SF just built a new indoor along with Mustang and it will literally take 4-5 years for those facilities to pay off.

King Jack rolled on Westmoore, a depleted Muskogee team thumped a young NN team while Enid put a hurt on Mustang. And Jenks just outclassed Lawton in the 2nd half.



If the west side wants to beat the East side in Class 6A, we need to increase the coaches pay and upgrade the facilities.

The West side only chances are in 5A, 4A. GO Guthrie/Carl Albert and McGuinness!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[trojansrule]

brentman said:

I couldn't agree with you more trojansrule. But then whether we all wanted to admit it or not...I think that is kind of what we were all thinking anyway. The only difference now is that "we know".

Westmoore was a lot like the 11-0 Santa Fe team of last year. On paper they looked impressive. But, when you have that many close calls with "sub-par" teams...your number is just waiting to be called. Both of them SF of 05, and Westmoore of 06 went into the second round of the playoffs with 11-0 records, and were both beaten soundly by the east.

The dominance is still there, and probably will remain for awhile unless some of those schools end up splitting into two or three highschools.

Can us Westsiders legally claim Enid as our west hope now??? ;D

Well, Enid does play in 6A-3, which is a split district, so whether it is a true "westside" school may be a matter for debate. What is certain is that Enid played in the second-most difficult district. That level of district play has apparently prepared it for the toughest and most important competition of the season, although their regular season record suffered for it (as well as from Box's injury).

I can't let the comment about schools splitting into two or three other schools pass, though. Jenks is almost exactly the same size as Westmoore. Nobody ever suggests that Westmoore should be split up. Owasso is between Moore and Mustang in enrollment, but you don't see complaints that those schools are so successful because they are so big.

BA is by far the largest school in enrollment. Look at their overall performance in athletics in general and ask, "is size all it takes to be successful (let alone dominating)?

[Ramsey]

trojansrule said:

brentman said:

I couldn't agree with you more trojansrule. But then whether we all wanted to admit it or not...I think that is kind of what we were all thinking anyway. The only difference now is that "we know".

Westmoore was a lot like the 11-0 Santa Fe team of last year. On paper they looked impressive. But, when you have that many close calls with "sub-par" teams...your number is just waiting to be called. Both of them SF of 05, and Westmoore of 06 went into the second round of the playoffs with 11-0 records, and were both beaten soundly by the east.

The dominance is still there, and probably will remain for awhile unless some of those schools end up splitting into two or three highschools.

Can us Westsiders legally claim Enid as our west hope now??? ;D

Well, Enid does play in 6A-3, which is a split district, so whether it is a true "westside" school may be a matter for debate. What is certain is that Enid played in the second-most difficult district. That level of district play has apparently prepared it for the toughest and most important competition of the season, although their regular season record suffered for it (as well as from Box's injury).

I can't let the comment about schools splitting into two or three other schools pass, though. Jenks is almost exactly the same size as Westmoore. Nobody ever suggests that Westmoore should be split up. Owasso is between Moore and Mustang in enrollment, but you don't see complaints that those schools are so successful because they are so big.

BA is by far the largest school in enrollment. Look at their overall performance in athletics in general and ask, "is size all it takes to be successful (let alone dominating)?

Westmoore and Moore are actually going to split again..making another school to be called Southmoore..prolly in 2 years.

It just seems that the east side puts more money into their athletics...and the west side doesnt. But no matter what, I will always believe that a west side team has a chance...its just a matter of time. Next year? Maybe, the year after? maybe..

[yerout]

I'm going to chime in here also ...........1) There are no plans of any of the "East Side" schools splitting. 2) I haven't seen any comments on why no one wants to play in a Conference with Jenks , Union, B.A., Muskogee and Owasso ... all the other members of the Frontier Conference are leaving at the end of the school year. As I see it , it you want to get better you need to play better teams. 3) The OKC area youth teams need to step it up ...... many of them are here (Tulsa) this weekend for the Sooner Classic ........ and are taking a beating.

[Brentman]

Well then we will just go ahead and claim Enid this year...

And actually if I am not wrong...there is talk of creating a third Moore school.

I'm not really talking about "school" size (although except for a rare occurance...the smaller ones are not contenders year in and year out), but rather district size. Now I will be the first to admit that I really don't know how district funding is devided between schools, athletics, etc...But take the Edmond schools for example. Those three schools are literally within about a 3 mile radius of each other. do they have to share funding? How hard is it for one school to have superior coaches and facilities, bring kids up through a good youth program catered toward the highschool, and have total support from the boosters and parents...when they are all right in the same community split between 3 schools.

I can't help but think that it only seems natural that if you take those three schools...put them back as one and pool all of the resources...i.e. boosters, parents, facilities, one quaility coaching staff (instead of 3),and a youth program that caters to only one Highschool...you couldn't help but have a better program year in year out.

Now having said that...I am not neccessarily a proponant of that. I am one of those that tends to think that there is much more to a quality highschool experience than sports (although I do sometimes even question myself there... ), and that is something you could not get if there were only one Highschool there in Edmond. There would be a lot of quality kids, as well as athletes left in the dust because of the mass numbers.

Okay...now I am not trying to bring up the whole your schools bigger than my school thing (we have beat that dead horse back to life and death too many times already). I am just offering a little food for thought. Mainly regarding scooterjumbo's comment about:

"If the west side wants to beat the East side in Class 6A, we need to increase the coaches pay and upgrade the facilities".

Should be an exciting week of semis...Good luck to all!

[scwr]

i do agree thats tough to do. some of those kids play together for many years and then when they get to high school they have to split off. but yea there is no talk of the eastside powers splitting schools but after this year in every sport but football they will be by themselves. here at sapulpa we are just now getting up to the facilitys those schools have example: massive weight room, turf, film equipment, cameras things like that its because of our boosters. another thing here is our seasons are built around beating what we call the big 4 (jenks, union, BA, owasso) shoot if we beat one of them they consider it sucess here

[sanditehc]

I'd like to play in another district. This was our 3rd consecutive 5th place finish in 6A-4. LAst year we had two teams in the semi-finals, and Jenks wasn't one of them. This year we have three in the semi-finals. I'm all for competing against the best and all that, but dang I'd like to have a chance at the post-season every once in a while.

[scwr]

i agree with you. we play in what is by far the toughest district in all of oklahoma high school football, next year looks to be even tougher

[okie21]

I agree with the bigger schools do have an advantage....even though BA never wins a title in football...look how successful they are year in and year out. I am a BA guy and will always say that bigger schools have a big advantage due to numbers...if you do not believe it helps...then tell me how it hurts?? The depth at a school like BA/Jenks/Union/WM/Owasso and etc is a lot different than at schools like BTW, Muskogee, Sand Spings, Tahlequah, Del City, and etc.

I do not believe that it generally makes a huge difference in first team talent, but it makes a huge difference in your 2nd and 3rd team talent. It also allows those teams to only have 1 or 2 guys playing both ways, instead of the smaller teams where they might have 5,6, or more playing both ways.

People can use BA has the example that size doesn't matter....but BA is in the Top 5 in 6A in wins for the last 7 years. If BA had to split their athletes in two, they wouldn't be nearly as good. But, I think we will get to see if I am right here in a couple of years.....BA is talking about splitting in 3 years, so we will see.

With that said, you small school 6A guys that say size is the only reason why these teams are good are 100% wrong......there is a lot more to it than size. If you small 6A schools want to argue about size being the main advantage, call Muskogee, BTW, or Enid and argue with them.

[dcstillownsyou]

Obviously it's not everything. Outside of 1991, which is questionable and they may have made it then (historian around?) Del City did not miss the play-offs in the 90's. Midwest City was winning state championships on the regular. Everybody involved in the smaller programs WANTED to go out for football and when there was a void on the team, Coach Manning would go through the halls or through the other sports teams and find someone to fill that hole. Small schools can be very successful, but it just takes the entire school. I think a coach like Coach Craig could be VERY successful in a large program where he doesn't have to worry about being Athletic Director and maintaining numbers on the football field, but it takes a special coach and motivated players, to install and maintain that degree of success in the smaller programs.